# Thoughts on Puzzle 37: Tidying Up **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 12:34pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523 "2022-09-21T12:34:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KreherFA](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.rapyd.net/kreherfa/32/12655_2.png) [@KreherFA](https://community.rapyd.net/u/KreherFA)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 12:34pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/1 "2022-09-21T12:34:51Z")
Any thoughts on this one, I manage to complete 3 columns and 1 more square, and now I am at a stand-still. I managed to determine which number has the correctly spelled word (between sets of numbers). ---
**Author:** ![Binyamin\_Ben\_Dor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.rapyd.net/binyamin_ben_dor/32/2723_2.png) [@Binyamin\_Ben\_Dor](https://community.rapyd.net/u/Binyamin_Ben_Dor)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 1:03pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/2 "2022-09-21T13:03:28Z")
finished the puzzle, I was also stuck with three columns, guessed one of the squares near by that had only 2 possible options and received a valid solution but can’t extract the solution from it maybe there are multiple solutions that are valid ---
**Author:** ![marinamvt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@marinamvt](https://community.rapyd.net/u/marinamvt)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 2:04pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/3 "2022-09-21T14:04:24Z")
I also had three columns and one square and figured out the answer from there. Once I got it, I solved the rest. Took me awhile 😅 ---
**Author:** ![SDDA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@SDDA](https://community.rapyd.net/u/SDDA)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 2:06pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/4 "2022-09-21T14:06:57Z")
After your 3 + 1, trying working on the opposite side of the puzzle you were previously doing. I was fixed on solving one side first before the other and kept getting stuck. Once I switched, it was as if something clicked. ---
**Author:** ![steineman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@steineman](https://community.rapyd.net/u/steineman)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/5 "2022-09-21T14:27:41Z")
Got there by picking one out of 2 possible options. Don’t be afraid of the left side if you get stuck, writing down all possibilities and then trying one might get you there very fast. ---
**Author:** ![jvankeulen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c77e96/32.png) [@jvankeulen](https://community.rapyd.net/u/jvankeulen)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/6 "2022-09-21T15:10:30Z")
For me this was a puzzle where brute forcing it was easier/faster than actually trying the puzzle ---
**Author:** ![ASh209](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@ASh209](https://community.rapyd.net/u/ASh209)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 3:19pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/7 "2022-09-21T15:19:57Z")
Same. After struggling for an hour, stuck on 3 columns, I coded up a brute force approach in 10 mins. I’ve noticed that the ‘harder’ problems have design flaws that make them especially weak to brute force attacks. ---
**Author:** ![ASh209](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@ASh209](https://community.rapyd.net/u/ASh209)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 3:22pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/8 "2022-09-21T15:22:50Z")
To be clearer, but without spoiling, this challenge has a problem with both the design and the chosen solution which means you can arrive at the solution without actually having to even solve the grid and therefore you can even avoid having to backtrack. ---
**Author:** ![matej](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@matej](https://community.rapyd.net/u/matej)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/9 "2022-09-21T15:24:02Z")
> [@Binyamin\_Ben\_Dor](#): > > maybe there are multiple solutions that are valid In the result I found two valid words, however one is much more common. > [@jvankeulen](#): > > brute forcing it was easier/faster than actually trying the puzzle Same for me, solved by coding after I wrote out options for remaining columns after solving the three obvious ones. There were just too many. _IMHO backtracking is something humans should never ever have to do._ Computers are however very good at it, this one ran only a fraction of a second. ---
**Author:** ![xand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de0a6/32.png) [@xand](https://community.rapyd.net/u/xand)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/10 "2022-09-21T15:45:15Z")
I listed out all possible solutions and found nothing “obvious” that was accepted, so guess brute forcing the grid is next! ---
**Author:** ![MarcinJ13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7c8e57/32.png) [@MarcinJ13](https://community.rapyd.net/u/MarcinJ13)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/11 "2022-09-21T16:31:09Z")
I solved the puzzle first, then checked the words. Initial approach as everyone else, then picked one of few possibile numbers and tried to solve the rest, Rinse, repeat. ---
**Author:** ![KreherFA](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.rapyd.net/kreherfa/32/12655_2.png) [@KreherFA](https://community.rapyd.net/u/KreherFA)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 5:33pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/12 "2022-09-21T17:33:40Z")
I finally solved it, built a code to run through all 2 billion possible iterations after finding the 3 column and 1 space. ---
**Author:** ![xand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de0a6/32.png) [@xand](https://community.rapyd.net/u/xand)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/13 "2022-09-21T17:40:31Z")
hah, nice! Which columns are people finding as being irrefutable once filled in? I’m seeing multiple options on all of them really ---
**Author:** ![igorgetmeabrain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.rapyd.net/igorgetmeabrain/32/14926_2.png) [@igorgetmeabrain](https://community.rapyd.net/u/igorgetmeabrain)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/14 "2022-09-21T18:03:38Z")
Argh, stuck. I have one column filled in but the rule about possible column duplicates is making it difficult for me to narrow down other columns. ---
**Author:** ![Emdur2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f6c823/32.png) [@Emdur2](https://community.rapyd.net/u/Emdur2)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 6:22pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/15 "2022-09-21T18:22:17Z")
Only have one column as well. Have narrowed some boxes down to three possible numbers, but am pretty stuck after that. ---
**Author:** ![Binyamin\_Ben\_Dor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.rapyd.net/binyamin_ben_dor/32/2723_2.png) [@Binyamin\_Ben\_Dor](https://community.rapyd.net/u/Binyamin_Ben_Dor)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/16 "2022-09-21T18:35:59Z")
I think I might be misunderstanding something, because I have already solved the grid and also brute forced it but none of the answers are excepted - the left column of the extraction grid corelates to the 0’s, the one next to that to the 1’s right? Is there any tweak on the input (spaces, caps lock)? Thansk ---
**Author:** ![igorgetmeabrain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.rapyd.net/igorgetmeabrain/32/14926_2.png) [@igorgetmeabrain](https://community.rapyd.net/u/igorgetmeabrain)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/17 "2022-09-21T18:40:07Z")
No, I think you misunderstand how the extraction works. Once you’ve solved the number grid, look for the position of the zeroes on that grid and match with the letters in the corresponding positions on the extraction grid. Then do the same for 1s, 2s etc. ---
**Author:** ![igorgetmeabrain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.rapyd.net/igorgetmeabrain/32/14926_2.png) [@igorgetmeabrain](https://community.rapyd.net/u/igorgetmeabrain)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/18 "2022-09-21T18:40:39Z")
I just had a breakthrough and now have 3+1 columns like others… keep trying! ---
**Author:** ![Binyamin\_Ben\_Dor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.rapyd.net/binyamin_ben_dor/32/2723_2.png) [@Binyamin\_Ben\_Dor](https://community.rapyd.net/u/Binyamin_Ben_Dor)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/19 "2022-09-21T18:54:12Z")
I can’t believe this!! my solution to the grid was correct. just didn’t understand the extraction. now I got it and got the solution ---
**Author:** ![Emdur2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f6c823/32.png) [@Emdur2](https://community.rapyd.net/u/Emdur2)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523/20 "2022-09-21T19:05:15Z")
Yup, now up to 3+1 as well. I feel like I’m close, but yet still pretty far lol. [Next page](https://community.rapyd.net/t/thoughts-on-puzzle-37-tidying-up/57523.md?page=2)